Tuesday, April 26, 2011

We politely asked Wendy Brandes to add an update to her blog about the NYTimes obit for Violet Cowden, but she refuses, saying:

First Wendy said:

''From what you have here, I agree that the Times should have said "Cowan said," or "she claimed" or something along those lines. ''

But when asked to allow my comment on her blog she refused and said"

''I appreciate your passion but I am not going to post a comment of you quoting something I said to you. If I want to say that, I will say it myself. And I am not interested in saying it without a response from the Times. This is not a huge issue for me and I am not inclined to pursue it. To be honest, maybe you'd have better luck getting an answer from the Times yourself with fewer, better written emails. Your style is a little overwhelming even if your heart is in the right place. Personally, I had no trouble getting a response from the public editor regarding a question I had. Maybe you should try him. Best of luck.''

And then just before defriending me from her FB page she added:

''You're criticizing the Times for not doing sufficient reporting but you don't want to do your own reporting? Doesn't seem right to me. Thanks for getting in touch.''


ALL BECAUSE I TOLD SHE WAS AFRAID TO GET THE TIMES ANGRY AT HER AND AFRAID TO SPEAK HER MIND RE THE LAST LINE ON THE OBIT EVEN THOUGH SHE AGREED WITH ME.....SIGH......with friends like this, who needs enemies...? But I love her anyways. Wendy Brandes, a good egg and a luftmensch par excellence!

To her credit, she did say, before defriending me and therefore shutting off the conversation, which seems to be the way people communicate these days, shutting people off they don't agree with: ''If you get a quote from the Times, I would consider adding something to [my blog] post.''

29 comments:

WendyB said...

I have no problem with writing about the Times. I did it here, as a matter of fact: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/25/suzy-menkes-on-bloggers-t_n_435653.html

I simply refuse to accuse the Times of failing to check the facts on that obit without finding out if they did actually make an error. For all we know the story checked out. That's the point I was trying to make to you...that you shouldn't make an assumption. Unlikely things, like the Sinatra anecdote, can certainly happen.

I'm glad I gave you something to post about.

Anonymous said...

Wendy my annotations in CAPS

''I simply refuse to accuse the Times of failing to check the facts on that obit without finding out if they did actually make an error. THEY DID NOT MAKE AN ERROR, THEY MADE AN ERROR IN JUDGMENT, AN ERROR IN TAKING AN OLD WOMAN"S ORAL HISTORY RECOLLECTON AS FACT.... that's all. ...BUT IT SELLS NEWSPAPERS so it's cool?

For all we know the story checked out. IT DID NOT AND DOES NOT. see above

That's the point I was trying to make to you...that you shouldn't make an assumption. I MAKE ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON WHAT I KNOW OF LIFE AND THE ODDS....

Unlikely things, like the Sinatra anecdote, can certainly happen.
THIS IS TRUE.....STRANGE THINGS DO HAPPEN and COULD hAPPEN and this Sinatra story COULD be true, i agree......but to protect itself frm charges of taking an old woman's recall as FACT, the TIMES should have ran the last line as is but with the addition of "or so she was told"...or some such...agree now?....that's all i said on your blog and your censored me. I don't get it.....I am a good guy. I love the Times. I like you. Why censor me?

Anonymous said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/25/suzy-menkes-on-bloggers-t_n_435653.html


this was good! BRAVO...i salute you, fellow speaker outer!

Anonymous said...

re

''I'm glad I gave you something to post about.'''

no Wendy, again u mis understand me...i didn't need this to blog about...i don't blog to blog....i don't care about blogging. i blog to find out the truth and then report it to the relevant authorities IF anyone is interesred...so i onlu blogged here beacuse i knew in your vanity would you self google yourself tos ee if any news was online about you and sure enough HERE You are, just like going fishiing, and i got you now where i want you, as a friend chatting...SMILE...see? i have my ways.......trust me...i am on your side...

dan said...

you do agree with me. you wrote me earlier on Fb remember:

''From what you have here, I agree that the Times should have said "Cowan said," or "she claimed" or something along those lines. ''


me too, that's all. the TIMES should have qualified that lovely last line. it would STILL be a good line...But of course by not qualifying it and making it look like it really did happen, raeders love it more...and you know what, Wendy, don't kill me for saying this. but i have noticed in your readers blog comemtns on this issue, WOMEN are much more gullible and easy to believe soemthign like this than MEN.... just like women in general believe in tarot cards and horoscopes and fortune tellers etc....they also TEND to believe what they read mUch more than men and they also do not want to make waves and challegne the august NYTimes.....and that's life and i accept that and i love it all....SMILE

dan said...

wendy re

"You're criticizing the Times for not doing sufficient reporting but you don't want to do your own reporting? Doesn't seem right to me. Thanks for getting in touch."

I DID DO myu own reporting, i found out that the Sinatra reference was in an oral history interview with Vi at age 90 in 2007, the link is online, and all the obit writers i contacted in the USA on this told me via email that i was 100 precent correct to tell margolit that she went a bit overboard with that cute last line without at laest qualifiong it with a IT WAS REPORTED or IT WAS CLAIMED...or SHE WAS LED TO BELIEVE..... see? I did report this and nobody wants to accept my POV. story of my life! SIGh

Anonymous said...

here is the oral history q and a:

BC:
So once you dropped a plane off, then would you have to fly back? How
did that work?

VC:
We had a real high priority on the airlines. The only person that
could ever—only party that could ever bump us was the president's
party. So, I mean, if we delivered any—we'd—we would just bump
somebody to get back. Every once in a while, especially in New York,
if there was someone that maybe was going back to their home for
bereavement or something, I would try to take a later flight and let
them take my spot. But as a rule, I mean, I didn't know who I was
bumping. Except one time Frank Sinatra was going to Memphis. I don't
know whether I delivered a plane to Memphis or not, but I was on my
way back, and I had bumped him. And when I got off at Memphis they
expected to see Frank Sinatra. But it was so much fun for me to just
walk, walk in there and all the women were out there. I remember it
was kind of raining and they were under their umbrellas, but, of
course, no Frank Sinatra.

BC:
Not many people can say that though, that they bumped Frank Sinatra.

VC:
I don't think very many, probably.

Anonymous said...

MONEY QUOTE

''But as a rule, I mean, I didn't know who I was
bumping. Except one time Frank Sinatra was going to Memphis. I don't
know whether I delivered a plane to Memphis or not, but I was on my
way back, and I had bumped him. And when I got off at Memphis they
expected to see Frank Sinatra. But it was so much fun for me to just
walk, walk in there and all the women were out there. I remember it
was kind of raining and they were under their umbrellas, but, of
course, no Frank Sinatra.

BC:
Not many people can say that though, that they bumped Frank Sinatra.

VC:
I don't think very many, probably.

dan said...

WEndy
a TOP obits writer at a major USA newspaper wrote to me re this issue

''dear dan
It would be really cool if somebody challenged her to come up with the
reference for that one. I don't think you can tell that kind of story
without at least a fig leaf of reference.''

Well, she did have a reference, that oral hiostry i unearthed bia gogle eearch.....so she has that link to tell her editors it was a real quote...BUT...still, why not a small qualiger, IT WAS REPORTED or SHE WAS LED TO BELEIVE...?

dan said...

i wrote to her today and her obits@nytimes.com editor...see if they
respond././/i am tryng to force the issue now with
a massive fcaebook comapign and my blog./......and digging
deeper....it's a mild throwaway last line and cUTE...btu NOT TRUE

but how prove it....?

dan said...

another TOP obits writer in the midWest tells me re this FOx story

''dear danny
>>> It would be nice to know where she got that story anyway.
>>>
>>> I looked at the COWDEN story earlier and saw no reason to write her story because
>>> she was - as Fox says - one of 1,074 women in her job and there was nothing
>>> to distinguish her from the others. Except now we learn: the Wasp that
>>> bumped Frank Sinatra. Who the fuck cares?"

Anonymous said...

Margolit Fox, the NYTimes obitsman who gave us the faux Anthora coffee
>>>> cup obit last year now gives a faux NYT obit re FRANK SINATRA, and
>>>> it's a shame her editors don't rein her in. She concludes April 23
>>>> obit of Violet Cowden with this whopper of a tall tale: "Mrs Cowden had
>>>> bumped [from airplame seating] Frank Sinatra". -- SURE, MARGOLIT! Tell
>>>> us another whopper for the obits page. GREAT STORY, yes, but ending
>>>> was a whopper. Why does she whopper all the time to us?

dan said...

and WENDY, my sources at the NYT itself tell me that Ms Fox NEVER NEVER anwers reader mail.....NEVER..... how's that for arrogance!

dan said...

and WENDY for my other issues about RREADING and SCREeN READING, which i think you GET and uou posted on how you like reading PRINT, that is why i love you and how i found you.....really...today i get this letter out fo the blue on Fb

RE


dear dan
I'm at the Neuroscience department at MIT (our lab collaborates with
Maryanne Wolf sometimes), writing my dissertation right now on the
neural correlates of reading in children and adults, and I'm unaware
of any research suggesting paper is superior to reading on the screen.
Can you please point me to the literature you're referring to in your Publishers Weekly post?

dan said...

can you do a blog on your blog one day about this?

RE

I'm at the Neuroscience department at MIT (our lab collaborates with
Maryanne Wolf sometimes), writing my dissertation right now on the
neural correlates of reading in children and adults, and I'm unaware
of any research suggesting paper is superior to reading on the screen.
Can you please point me to the literature you're referring to?

dan said...

i told the MIT researcher

dear Dr X
IN FACT, there is no literature yet on what I am referring to because
I am the only person in the world at this point sticking my neck out
and suggesting that paper reading is superior to reading on the
screen. Nobody believes me because there are not relevant studies yet
out there, conducted by big labs with PHD people sponsoring them.
Nobody believes me because the e-reader
and computer industry does not want anyone to know what I am
suggesting. Nobody believes me because so far the only evidence we
have is anecdotal and that is not enough. We need
cold hard facts, science, neuroscience, MRI studies and PET scan
studies to measure how and if different parts of the brain light up
when we read on paper compared to when we read
off screens. Reading on screens might not even be "reading" -- it
might be an entirely new mode of human interactiion with text called
"screening."

Screening is cool. But is screening really "reading". I say it is not.

But there are no papers yet or studies going on yet. There will be.
This is the new frontier of neuroscience. In 20 years, my hunch will
be shown to be correct. But it will be too late as
screens will already have replaced paper as the main reading platform.
That's okay. We will survivve. But shouldn't we learn the truth sooner
than later?

Let the MRI and PET scan research begin NOW!

Danny Bloom, huncher

dan said...

AND WENCDY, i just know we are going to end up as friends later, because we think alike...it's just that i came on the wrong way at first and it blew you away, my bad...but i apologize and i think that later, since we really think alike, more or less, esp on the reading in print issue, we will be friends later.....you are a good person, i am a good person, why not be friends.....? i think we can do it, later.....but only if you agree.....

dan said...

see?

Emma at Daily Clothes Fix
asid on yr blog:


She sounds amazing. I love the fact that she remembered to grab her paperwork and makeup. Give a woman a man’s job and she’ll do it just as well but keep her femininity.

***And I love that she managed to bump Frank Sinatra.*** All in all an impressive woman.

dan said...

and Sheila said:
April 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm

That’s awesome – I didn’t know any of that history. ***I love the story about her bumping Sinatra.***

dan said...

Christine Bonn says:


Bumping Sinatra was definitely one of her favorites, too!

FAVORITES STORIES. but not necessarilu a true story?

Wendy
did you read the M Fox obit about he inventor of the coffee cup for Anthora coffee? that was also a fake obit whopper.... i am sure

Anonymous said...

i asked them too Christine Bonn will soon dish the dirt...

markbonn@intimesofwar.us

chrisbonn@intimesofwar.us

flywithvi@wingsofsilvermovie.com

dan said...

great photo here of Vi,,,,,wow

http://www.intimesofwar.us/producers.html

Anonymous said...

Wings Of Silver: The Vi Cowden Story

Director: Mark Bonn

Running time: 34 mins.

When: 11:30 a.m. today

This documentary tells the unsung story of the W.A.S.P.s (Women Air Force Service Pilots) during World War II. It’s a true story of women triumphing over adversity. The film just won best short documentary at the Port Townsend Film Festival.



Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/10/15/1382912/gig-harbor-film-festival-grows.html#ixzz1Kz89psAs

Anonymous said...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-female-aviator-pg,0,7170008.photogallery?1

Anonymous said...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-female-aviator-pg,0,7170008.photogallery?1

Anonymous said...

and Wendy, the LAT had a very good obit on Vi, better than NYT...and they never once mention the Sinatra BS....see? Dennis McClellan knew better. Fox went for the low ball

Anonymous said...

I'll be out of the office until Tuesday. If this is regarding a news obituary, please call 213 237-7981 or e-mail information to us at news.obits@latimes.com.

Kyle said...

and Wendy, the LAT had a very good obit on Vi, better than NYT...and they never once mention the Sinatra BS....see? Dennis McClellan knew better. Fox went for the low ball

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